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Friday, May 16, 2003

And More on the Dean Demographic

jdw
42 yo w/m. College degree(biology). Started small business 8 years ago.
Wife hospital VP until coming aboard the biz 4 years ago. Now in lower income
brackets, but love our work. No health care. Social liberals, fiscal
moderates. Voted about 85% dem until the Clinton witch hunts, now resolved to
never vote for a gooper ever again.

Love the Dr. because of his intelligent use of rhetoric to get the attention
of the base, and get people excited about a Dem that's as plain spoken and
a**-kicking as HST. Love the fast responses he's been able to put together
in response to attacks, a trait clearly missing in the Gore campaign. Love
the use of technology to build a movement and organize activists. And we just
love the message, having been depressed since the selection over the
Democrats lack of spine. (and I say that as a pragmaticist...I understand
politics and understand the Dems are a minority...still, they are gonna have
to fight for something....some day...I hope...) We also like how he's able to
frame an issue and argue forcefully for it, and at least we can respect his
conviction. His fund raising has been impressive for an 'unkown', and he's
clearly tapped into a long held frustration amongst us Dems. Also apparently
has gotten some youngsters excited.

I also like the fact that although he's clearly Liberal on social matters,
he's in most ways a centrist...right down the middle...no eastern Liberal
elite he...

p4troklus
I'm a centrist, independent voter from Oregon who has
supported many moderate Republicans (Packwood,
Hatfield, etc.) and some Democrats on the other side
as well. The current batch of crazies, thieves and
religious junkies with the "R" by their name don't get
my votes. A few weeks ago, I scrupulously read
through the issues papers for each of the Democratic
candidates and found that Dean's positions were most
similar to mine. I don't find much about him to be
"extreme." I'm not sure he's even a liberal, unless
you count tolerance on social issues, which I believe
pretty much mirrors society at large. Maybe "extreme"
to the DLC means that you stand up to the crazies
instead of shaking in your boots at home. 32, single
male professional from the Pacific Northwest, now in
New York City.


FHC
I am a white, married,self-employed 35 year-old woman. I grew up in a small Texas town and nowlive in Chicago. I have been active in politics since childhood, mainlybecause I always had at least one near relative running for local office.Since turning 18, I have missed one election--an uncontested city councilrace.

I became a committed Democrat when I was 13 and met Ann Richards for thefirst time. It was at a local rally and I had been assigned the job ofgreeting the candidates (Ann was running for Treasurer). Most of thecandidates, bless their hearts, saw me as “girl with stickers--pat herhead, call her sugar, and move on” but not Miss Ann. When Ann’s car droveup, I went out to meet her, flanked by some of the rally big-wigs. I wasshocked when, instead of greeting the big-wigs first, she turned to me,shook my hand, looked me square in the eye and said “Honey, it does myheart good to see a young woman like you getting involved inpolitics--don't you ever let anyone stop you. They'll tell you that youcan't and they'll tell you that you shouldn't--but don't you believethem.” It was like a bolt out of the blue. I couldn't give her money andI was too young to vote for her, but she cared that I was there and sawmy participation as something important. It gave me a thrill ofinspiration and HOPE.

In the many years since, I have been proud to be a Democrat, but I haveto admit moments like the one I just described have been few and farbetween--a few victories here and there, Gore’s speech at the 2000convention, the Killer D’s--but when I first saw Howard Dean speak, hebrought back all of the inspiration and hope that I felt that day backwhen I met Ann Richards. God DAMN, it’s a good feeling! His positions onissues are pretty much a mirror-image of my own, but even if theyweren't, I think I would still support him because he reminds me why Ibecame a Democrat in the first place.


Three of us in this household:

Marq:
54. gay, Never missed a chance to vote. Two years college, former
cable TV executive, current real estate agent/writer. First campaign
worked for Robert F. Kennedy. Dean awoke feeling of genuine excitement
that I have not felt since then (1968). It feels GOOD!

Barbara: 59.
Straight. M.D. Life-long (contributing) Democrat. Will not
give any money to Democratic Party this year, as she has lost faith in
their abilities to represent her. Will however (and has) contribute
directly to candidates. Dean is her #1 pick.

David:
42. gay. TV producer. Not politically active, but always votes.
Has been onboard with Dean for months.

Thursday, May 15, 2003

More of the Dean Demographic

Marla

FWIW, I am
32 year old lesbian mother of two preteen girls, white collar-non-executive, some college but no degree, fiscal centrist, social liberal, middle-income, registered Democrat who abstained in 2000 because I couldn't vote for any of the contenders (and I didn't know W would be worse than Daddy). I'm enthusiastic about Dean because I think he has integrity and I agree with most of his stances on the issues, but I would vote for Monica Lewinsky over Bush at this point. I'm going to the next MeetUp and have recruited 3 Dems and 1 Republican to Dean's camp so far.

RParker

32 year old, no college, making about twice the median income, bisexual, unmarried, computer programmer. Not a complete Dean supporter, but the DLC's fiasco may have just increased my support for Dean.

The DLC told all the Dems to be soft and centrist and support Bush on the war and tax cuts for the 2002 elections. Look how far that got us.



Aldon
44 year old White Male. Episcopalian. On his second marriage. Has three
beautiful young daughters. Home owner in Fairfield County Connecticut.
Financial Services Technology Executive. Manages to stay in the top
percentile of income earners even while in job transitions. Last
involvement in politics, sending a check to the Tsongas campaign back in
1992. Seeks political leader with brains, backbone and charisma, ideally
someone who has balanced budgets, protected the environment and improved
health care.

Jason

I'm a 25 year old white male, straight, college educated. Got laid off
4 months after I graduated college in 2001 took 8 months to find a new
job in my field (software), so I've seen that side of Bush's economy.
I've been a Dean supporter from almost the moment I first read his
website. I like that he's opinionated, strong willed and willing to say
what he beleives. It's about time we had a politician willing to say
what he thinks without regard to opinion polls. I got into politics
after the 2000 election and have become steadily angrier about what
Bush is doing - never donated to a political candidate before until
Dean. The DLC needs to learn to embrace Dean and his fire, not shun it.

Gina
I'm the winner when it comes to the wackiest color in the rainbow of Dean Supporters

MWF, 33, MA, teacher, Memphis TN, and ….don't stone me….registered republican. (OK…I'm changing that asap, it just took me 33 years to get a clue.)

The dems have got to realize there are former college republicans like me out there who have had it with the neocons and their kill kill kill spend spend spend. Most of us right leaners (not the rightous right) could care less if gays get married or civilly unionized or whatever. Hey you're not trying to do me so why do I care? But intolerance and their sick obsessions and out right uncaring attitude toward common folk-it can't be ignored. Someone tell the DLC to leave the status quo to the republicans. I want my country back!


MrHappy

34 Y/O gay white male, college educated, in the arts, in CA. 5'11, curly hair, enjoy long walks on the beach. Not a Dean-ite yet but heading in that direction, especially if my hopeful, Kerry, continues to behave like a clueless corpse.

Here's my gut reaction on Dean: The reason people who like him are such true believers is not only that he claims to be an outsider, but he IS. He seems about as genuine as a politician can be (amazing isn't it, that Bush still gets such high marks for "honesty and integrity" barf) He doesn't have to hold onto an elected seat right now and he acts like he can speak his mind. And he's doing so. And that's a huge breath of fresh air.

More important: He can energize young people who ordinarily would look at the rest of the pack and say, why bother? And, though the GOP/Media will try to tar him as a leftie gay-lover (and that's not why I like him), that all rings hollow. Just listen to him; listen to what he says and the way he says it. This is a guy who can conceivably appeal to a... oh, let's pick a random demographic... a pickup truck driving blue collar guy from Missouri with a gun rack. Conceivably. And the gun issue lost Gore W. Virginia, and probably Missouri so this is not to be overlooked. Face it, most people in this country pay scant attention to the issues. It's all surface. At least Dean looks like a scrappy contender who CARES about what he's saying. That could, SHOULD, go a long way.

JD4
35, divorced male, euromutt. I teach at alternative HS for high risk teens, I coach soccer. I own a home (which appraises spot-on with the national average single family dwelling costs I saw this AM on CNN). Southern Oregon.


The Dean Demographic
jlb
I am a 50-something, white male professional with a master's degree, a "liberal" Christian, straight, long-divorced but engaged to a woman with two late-teenage kids. I've now come to like Dean best and prefer him to either Kerry or Graham - and particularly after this DLC/Lieberman bimbo eruption. I was more conservative in some ways than many of my friends in the 70's but moved to the left against Reagan. I grew up in the Deep South in an early Religious Right family, and have always flattered myself that I knew what today's GOP was up to even if the Smart Young Things of DC had rationalized it all away as "they have to stoop to conquer but then they'll run it like a business and anyone with any cools will do great and if you don't you're a loser anyway." I like electability as much as the next desperate contemporary American, but I don't think Lieberman has it at all. The DLC knows that its backers will be happy with either Bush or Holy Joe and so it's simple for them. ...
On other points, I think Lieberman is an outright Enemy of the People, completely run by the financial and insurance industries - who can ever forget his dive in the debate against Dick Cheney? - and a supporter of the ridiculous ABM scam. I also have been close to African-Americans for most of my life, and frankly I think Lieberman would keep a lot of them home - unless he really changed his tune on the Palestinians. I like Graham and Edwards (and even Kerry from what I understand about the real person) because they're comfortable with African-Americans, and I hope Dean can develop a real following with them as well.



Kestrel
gay white female, 49, two grown kids with partner, homeowner, MBA, business executive in San Francisco. A Dean supporter, have contributed to his campaign twice and will again. Am mightily pissed off at the DLC and sent them an e-mail this morning saying so. BTW, like another gay Dean supporter upthread, the civil unions thing is not my reason for supporting him but rather his forthright style, his position on issues and the fact that I think he's the only Dem candidate who would stand up to Bush and will stand out from Bush. If the Dem nominee is Kerry, Lieberman or Gephardt, we will lose very, very badly.

demtom
I think it's right to say the minority population is in general not heavily represented on the Internet, so you wouldn't expect to find many among Dean's or anyone's supporters here. The question of what minority support he'll get in the primaries is a not-insignificant one, though, if the lack of variety described here among his supporters is universal. No Democrat can be nominated without some level of black and Hispanic support. (The general election is another matter; any Dem will carry them there)

Another key question: are the people showing up at Dean things disproportionately well-off? That would probably be From's chief criticism, I think: that Dems need to score among people of lesser incomes (though Lieberman seems to think one way to do it is to soft-pedal corporate crime, which I don't get at all).

I'm not officially a Deanie, but am leaning that way (may be drawn inexorably by the time of the NY primary). I probably fit Al From's sneering stereotypes -- 50 year old lifetime Dem (made one or two exceptions in the past; after '98 and 2000, never again); long-married heterosexual; NY playwright -- but I've always considered myself relatively pragmatist on Dem nominees. After the McGovern debacle, I chose Carter early on as the most electable possibility; supported Hart over Mondale in '84; watched in despair in '88 as no one decent came forward; latched onto Clinton early in '96; and was unquestioningly for Gore in 2000. Though my November vote can be counted upon, I don't fall into the swoon-over-Jerry-Brown crowd.

deminva
I'm really gonna skew the demographics on Dean supporters:

white, 37, married with two young children, university administrator, working on my Ph.D. Almost always vote Democratic.

I liked Dean well before his opposition to the Iraq war (which I don't see, per se, as anti-war [i.e., peacenik]). He's my man, and I hope to be a part of a big news story in Virginia, when we get 100,000 signatures on the petition to put him on the primary ballot.

In one vitally important way, Clinton's road to the White House was far easier than Dean's will be: He worked his way in as an insider, with the full support of the DLC and others. Does anyone out there know to whether--if at all--Dean held leadership positions among Democratic governors during his tenure in Vermont?



mg
My boss is a Puerto Rican New Yorker born and bred. Grew up very poor (on welfare). 54 years old. Viet Nam era veteran. Vaguely libertarian politics.

He's a Dean supporter!

OK, OK: I talked him into it. But, I'll tell you--it's really not hard to get people to like Dr. Dean.

Once people know the info, get a handle on Dean's record and policies, and have a little exposure to his charisma, spine and common sense and off you go.

I am really proselytizing here. Sorry, all. It just seems... so vital.

Just for the record, I'll vote for ANY Dem.



jeff
34, gay white male, working on a PhD, living in rural MN (until I move back to Boston later this summer), pretty far to the left on social and economic issues, but realize the need for pragmatism in trying to elect national leaders. Donated to the Dean campaign twice thus far, making it only the second campaign I've contributed to (Mondale's last second step-in for Paul Wellstone was the first). Not registered in any party (MN doesn't put party on the registration form, at least as far as I could find)

CA Pol Junkie
my own personal demographics aside, Meetups of Dean supporters are skewed white, college educated, and professional. Of course, the Internet is skewed white, college educated and professional and political junkies are probably skewed similarly. The $64,000 question is whether Dean's appeal is narrow but coincides with who is currently aware of him, or whether his appeal is broad, but minorities and non-college educated people are just proportionately unaware of him.


JimMA
23 year old, college graduate, gay white male, fiscal moderate, social liberal. Was registered Democrat since I was 18, but after the 2000 election switched to Socialist to protest... well, go read the DLC website. To protest that.

ChrisS
29yo, straight, white male, veteran, and now an environmental science student... orginally leaning towards John Edwards, but am now firmly in Dean's camp.

John B.
40 years old, raised to be liberal, liberally educated by the Great Books, proud of it, white, hetero, happily married for 21 years, socially very tolerant, architect, masters degree, 2 boys age 17 & 20, secular humanist, freethinker, distance runner, liked Bill Clinton most of the time, wished he had kept his pants on, and think democracy ended here in the US after selection 2000. Adamantly opposed to this criminal admisistration and will support any Democrat but stronglu support Dean or possibly Graham or Clark. Will support Gephardt if I have too but will have a hard time support Lieberman.
I live in college town Virginia.


Scot
I'm a 29-year old white, college graduate, straight, registered Independent Dean supporter. Hope that helps ;)

Dean's demographic base seems to be all over the spectrum from middle to left, the median of which is probably just slightly left of the median Democrat.

Retired in Ohio
I've been to two Dean meetups here in southwest Ohio and there was a cross-section at the meetings - about 25-30 different people. Lots of younger voters (under 35), various occupations (several teachers K-12 and university, nurses, lawyers, businessman), a couple of unemployed people, several married couples, several college kids, some older folks. Some traveled 25-30 miles to get to the meetup. What struck me was the large number who said they had never been involved in politics.

Almost all said they loved Dean's attacks on Bush. The prez really has polarized the electorate. 35-40% think he's a great president, but almost as many think he's destroying the country they love. They're motivated by the economy, the war, the attack on civil liberties, civil rights, and the environment.

Dean's coming to Columbus (a hour from here) this Saturday and many at the meeting said they would be going. The folks here are motivated.

Read about the rally last night attended by over 1000 people in Seattle. Great article in the Seattle Times today.

VA6thDem
I'm male, 44 years of age, white, college graduate, father of two, registered Democrat, public health professional and have been a Dean supporter for some time now.

mg
I'm a white, middle-class, college-educated, straight Dem woman living in Manhattan. I fervently support Dr. Dean and I am volunteering for his campaign.

Here is the (incredibly incoherent--I was SO angry) letter I sent to the DLC, bless their rotten little hearts:

Dr. Dean is the most exciting candidate I've seen in years. His record and policies are excellent.

Although, for whatever reasons of your own, you do not want to nominate a strong, centrist, honest politician with a proven track record, the fact is that Dr. Dean is the most electable candidate running.

Stop trying to appease the right wing. Dr. Dean has everything it takes to make our beloved USA a better, stronger, healthier place.

He has my vote and my support.

Frank
I'm 38, male, white, straight, married. Two young daughters. Some college but never finished. Registered Democrat, have been since I was 18. Politically active that whole time. SAH Dad with a part-time night retail job. (My wife has the *real* job. :-) She's an insurance broker.) I'm moderately left on economic issues, *very* left on social issues.

peter
Demographics: I am a 34 year old married straight white male with a professional degree. We are also expecting our first child. I probably also should disclose that I live in Vermont.

I am simply flabbergasted (sp?) at the DLC's approach here. Putting policy aside, Howard Dean is clearly the best politician in the field. The DLC should be trying to figure out how they can claim him as one of thier own, not trying to undercut the one candidate that has energized the party somewhat.

I guess the DLC-types don't think they need those 3 million Nader voters back, because they sure aren't doing anything to reach out to anyone to the left of Lieberman. Unbelieveable.

eileen
I'm 52, female, white, straight and married. Nominal Catholic. Three kids, all grown. (1 in college 1 married w/children, 1 in grad school) I graduated college, taught school for a bit. Now I'm a writer, have my own business.

Politically, I'm a mish-mash: social liberal/independent/libertarian/fiscalconservative. (I voted for John Anderson, if anyone remembers HIM!)

Always a political junkie news-wise, but have never worked or contributed a dime to a candidate. Have done both for Dean.

Marisacat
white female straight university some grad school city dweller (SF, CA) voted dem since '72 (third gen democrat)

Josh
I'm 24, straight male college grad. Originally attracted to Dean by anti-war stance, now I'm just hooked on the idea of a candidate who exudes some integrity. I'm optomistic that America will respond to candid truth more than it will respond to nuanced spin, and that this will help us find our way back to a better form of existing in the world. Right now we're on the fast track to becoming a nation of obese, prozaic-popping anti-intellectuals dominated by bland strip-mall uniformity and more or less complete disinvolvement with our own existences. Something's got to give.
Here's my Dean Endorsemen

Maureen
I'm a 33 year old married white female, mother of 2 daughters, registered Democrat, currently working as administrative assistant (after being laid off from a managerial position in telecom.)


What Prompted This
The DLC has a memo discussing how they can't let Dean win the nomination. In a nutshell it describes Dean as an elitist liberal from the "McGovern-Mondale wing" of the party.

Out of curiosity I asked the Daily Kos readers to give me their thoughts on the Dean Demographic.
If you want to add you comments please drop me an email at michaelw@speedfactory.net.

FYI MSW is: white male, mid 40's, middle class, straight and married, 1 kid (4), yellow dog southern democrat, and a bad typist. I have attended one Dean meet up, I'm leaning in his direction.
Oh, I nearly forgot, Elvis was realy realy cool in 1956.


Wednesday, May 14, 2003

Bush on Al Qaeda
A simple question if this is true:
"For more than two weeks before the Monday bombings, American and Saudi officials had grown increasingly alarmed by intercepted communications that provided what they called "strong indications" that Islamic militants were preparing a terrorist attack against Americans in Saudi Arabia."
Then why did President Bush say this about Al Qaeda last week:
"That group of terrorists who attacked our country . . . They're not a problem anymore."
Was he withholding the truth? Was he lying? Did U.S. intelligence suddenly not jive with his dramatic we got 'em on the run cowboy speech so he ignored it?

President Bush said this yesterday:
"I can't say for certain it was Al Qaeda, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was,"
Well if "They're not a problem anymore" last week how is it that they are killing people this week. You can't have it both ways.

Go read Mo



Tuesday, May 13, 2003

Lastest Poll: People Like Bush, but would not like him if they actually looked at his policies

From the NYTimes:

The number of Americans who said they had confidence in Mr. Bush's ability to manage the economy dropped seven points, to 47 percent...
There is no evidence, however, that those doubts have damaged Mr. Bush's overall standing. The poll found that 67 percent approved of his job performance, while 70 percent said he had strong qualities of leadership ...
67 percent of Americans said they thought that Mr. Bush cared a lot or some "about the needs and problems of people like yourself," though 54 percent said that Mr. Bush's policies favored the rich.

41 percent, said they believed that Mr. Bush's tax cut could help the economy. But 48 percent rejected one of Mr. Bush's central arguments for tax cuts, saying the cuts were not very or not at all likely to create jobs. In addition, 58 percent said they did not expect to find any more money in their paychecks as a result of Mr. Bush's tax cuts. And 63 percent of respondents said the tax cuts in 2001 had not helped the economy.

81 percent of respondents said that the country should make sure Americans had access to health care, rather than cut taxes. And 58 percent said the priority should be reducing the deficit.

Fifty-eight percent of respondents said Republicans would do a better job of protecting the United States against terrorist attacks; just 18 percent said the same thing of Democrats. And 66 percent said Republicans were more likely to make sure the nation's military forces were strong, compared with 19 percent who expressed such confidence in Democrats.

A majority of Democrats and half of all independents said they did not consider that Mr. Bush had legitimately won the White House.





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